Tuesday, July 10, 2012

It is the NBA silly season but not in Golden State

By Justin Taylor

The Dorrell Wright Era in Golden State is over

This week got a whole lot more interesting for armchair GMs like me when Dorrell Wright finally got traded. I don’t care if they got a sack of rocks for him; the deal leaves the tax evading Andris Biedrins and the check cashing Richard Jefferson as the only dead weight left on the payroll.  GM Bob Myers already said in an interview following the trade that they plan on being real players in free agency when those contracts come off the books in 2014.  I don’t think I’ve been this excited for such a minor move in a long time.  They went from less than $4 million to use in free agency to almost $8 million dollars to spend.  That doesn’t mean we will spend that money or that we should but this is a clear sign to the rest of the league that says, “Back Off Assholes! We’ve got the money to match your offer for Brandon Rush!” (UPDATE: News has now come out that we actually got Jarrett Jack in a three way swap with this trade. This is a great move that really shores up the back up PG spot.  The only question now is what it does to my previous statement about having money to match all offers for Rush...more on that later)

In a span of two years Wright went from a steal of a free agent signing to a player who was soft and indecisive.  When we got him and he hit all of those open threes a couple years ago we all cheered and looked forward to seeing him grow with the core of the team as our starting small forward.  Then the 2011-12 season rolled around and he got soft, he got tight, he got indecisive and suddenly he wasn’t much of a steal.  By the time he got traded on July 10th the only thing about him that was considered an asset was his reasonably priced and expiring contract.  Now that he’s gone we have the money we need to sign Rush, Dominic McGuire and a back up point guard like D.J. Augustine, Jarryd Bayless or Leandro Barbosa; maybe in a worst case scenario, Nate Robinson.   At the end of the day it doesn’t even matter that we got a player who will never play in the NBA for him, on top of the extra financial flexibility it also freed up some minutes for Harrison Barnes at the crowded 3 spot.

This is not Sloth from the Goonies, it is the guy we almost got in return for Dorrell Wright

Myers also said that they were being “aggressive but prudent” at the post trade conference call and it’s hard to argue with the logic in that.   He went on to say that they would even consider paying the luxury tax if they had a shot at a real “difference maker” and you don’t hear anyone saying we’ve missed out on one of those.  The young exec is saying and doing all of the right things in my mind.  While he waits to sign a role player to a discounted one or two year deal other teams are locking up similar players to big long term deals.  While Myers is watching his cap for 2014 there are many teams around the league are going buck wild while throwing caution to the wind.

Here are a handful of examples of deals I’m glad that we have no hand in:

Roy Hibbert turned one good season and two good playoff series into a max contract offer from Portland that is being matched by Indiana. It’s funny how fast a 7 footer who can walk and chew gum can go from a bust to a $15 million per year player isn’t it?  Provided he’s healthy I’ll take Andrew Bogut at $13.5 million a year over him any day.

Speaking of overpaid 7 footers, Brook Lopez will get a similar deal whether it’s from Brooklyn or Orlando in the coming days.  He may be a pretty good scorer but a guy that size that only averages six rebounds per game has no business cashing a $15 million paycheck.  He’s walking but I’m not sure how much gum he’s chewing.  Just one more guy that I’m glad the Warriors aren’t paying.

When it was first reported that the Celtics had a 4 year $40 million offer for Jeff Green and the heart condition that sidelined him this year I was floored.  Those won’t be the numbers when the ink dries on the contract but if it is anywhere near those figures you have to wonder who they were bidding against.  They must have been competing against Chris Mullin’s 1996 4 year $36 million offer to Derek Fisher or maybe the $42 million deal he gave Adonal Foyle. 

Jeremy Lin had a storybook run for a few minutes before getting hurt this season but I think Jalen Rose summed it up best when he said, “you can’t make more millions then games played.”  That’s exactly what the Knicks and Rockets are lining up to do right now.  The numbers in the media are $28.8 million over 4 years for the 25 starts and 126 turnovers he accumulated this season.  He’s a wet dream from a marketing perspective and I’m glad the local kid has made it but I’d still rather have Klay Thompson as my two guard.  I may be alone (with the Warriors front office) on this one but if we had to choose all over again I’d still want Charles Jenkins over him.

Goran Dragic has always been a nice player but that distinction shouldn’t earn you $8.5 million annually.  All this contract really did was make me very nervous about how much we’re going to owe Stephen Curry once he’s healthy and eligible for an extension.

The Clippers are signing Jamal Crawford for somewhere between 3-4 years and in the range of $15-$25 million dollars depending on who your “sources” are.  Even though I’ve been pining for a point guard I’m not going to be the one to pay a guy who’s going to be 33 and is coming off of his worst year for another four. 

Steve Novak has one NBA skill.  One!  We’ll call it two if you count his ridiculous discount double check after every made three.  He just signed a 4 year $15 million dollar offer because he’s a really good spot up 3 point shooter and his signing immediately made me think two things: 1) Is Isiah Thomas secretly running the Knicks again?  2) This isn’t good for our chances to resign Brandon Rush to a reasonable contract.  Rush shot 45% from three to Novak’s 47% but I’m pretty sure Rush destroys him in every other measure imaginable.  There will be offers coming that are going to bump up our qualifying offer for Rush.

Is Landry Fields really worth $7 million a year?  He is either riding the New York hype machine or his unbelievably nerdy handshake with Jeremy Lin to a majorly overinflated contract.  I guess we’ll find out this year in Toronto.  They are in a similar position to where we’ve been in the past where we have to overpay someone just for them to want to talk to us.  Once again, please give me Brandon Rush for almost $3 million less per year.

The big question is whether Dominic McGuire is coming back or not

As the free agent period has developed I have been more and more impressed with the team’s commitment to sanity.  There’s so much money being thrown at players that don’t deserve them right now it seems like last season’s lockout was even more pointless then previously thought.  It’s not just the moronic contracts being doled out but also the fact that the biggest names in the game can still force a teams hand to not only trade them but to move them to their preferred destinations.  Obviously Dorrell Wright doesn’t have the clout to fall into that category but Dwight Howard and Steve Nash do.

I’ve been rooting for the Orlando Magic to stick it to Howard by doing what is best for the team regardless of his demands.  It would be such a sweet victory for the league if they could send him somewhere that would make him miserable while still getting the best deal possible.  As much as I hate the Howard-Orlando hostage crisis, as a Warriors fan I’m much more disturbed by Steve Nash (one of the most likable guys in the league) teaming up with Kobe in LA.  The only silver lining to this move is knowing that neither of these guys have more than two years left, unless Kobe’s German Doctors make even more advances in “biologic medicine”.  The Wright trade makes me feel great but Steve Nash playing Los Angeles is still a tough pill to swallow.

The new front office rotation has shown great fiscal responsibility mixed in with just the right amount of risk taking in the midst .  If we chalk up David Lee’s contract to the old regime the only mistake they’ve really made was the Charlie Bell/Biedrins amnesty fumble.  Last year’s big money pursuit of Tyson Chandler was the right shot to take and one year later there are no big deals that make sense so the front office isn’t trying to force anything.  In this current landscape of big deals for mediocre talent there is no shame in waiting for another Dominic McGuire type deal to fall to them once the money has dried up everywhere else.  I've been driving the Anti Antawn Jamison Bandwagon and I really hope the bring back McGuire before they entertain the thought of Jamison.  I won't boycott the move but I will openly mock it.

In two short years the new management group in Golden State has shown that the days of overpaying inferior talent and biding against themselves for the likes of Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy are over (my apologies to Chris Mullin for calling out almost every one of his signings in this column).  They may have gotten lucky in missing out on Jordan but it’s hard not to agree with the talent and cap evaluations going on in Oakland these days.  As long as they continue to clean up the cap and the roster they can proclaim, “big things are coming” all they want (in all fairness, they caught a lot of flack for that line but it was an NBA slogan, not Golden State original bullshit) and I won’t have any gripes.  Things be changin’ in the Bay Area and for once it’s actually the Warriors.

113 comments:

  1. I agree with the author's point of view. This new management team is executing well vs current competition and has already demonstrated how much better they are than the previous ownership team.
    My biggest concern is.. will Mark Jackson turn out to be a HoF'er, a journeyman or a complete disaster as their coach. I wouldn't bet on any of my 3 scenarios.
    Would be interested in the author's take on Jackson.

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    1. Agreed. Jackson is an odd bird. I like him less and less. It would have been so cool if he was fired a week ago and Mike Malone was named head coach. The thinking Warriors fan would have rejoiced. HMMMM....

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    2. Thanks for the read and the feedback Don. Since the only big holes left on the roster are a couple of bench/role players I don't think there's any doubt that the biggest question mark is at Head Coach...I don't think anybody could have coached the d leaguers and rookies to a better record last season (but if Jackson was part of the problem we owe him a thank you for helping us add Harrison Barnes) so I have no problem giving him a mulligan...This season will be MUCH different and we'll all be real quick to judge. Like you said, I wouldn't put money on any of the possible turnouts right now so we just need hold our breath until the season tips off and then be ready to get all the way behind him or rip him to shreds...I'll be hitting that topic hard as soon as we have a sample size with a real roster.

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    3. Can't wait to discuss Mark Jackson as a real head coach! What teams currently are looking for a head coach? Is it only Orlando? We have survived so far without Mike Malone being pried away from us... Please tell me I didn't jinx us like a MLB pitcher who is pitching a perfect game in the 8th inning lol.

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  2. I just read up to the piece on bringing back Rush and how Novak's deal could affect him. Before we go any further, ink him now! Seriously. I know what Myers said... that the Dubs can persue FAs while waiting to secure Rush. No. He's wrong there. Get the deal done at 6am. NOW. lol. Discount double check? Yeah lol. RODGERS! lol.

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    1. I'm sure they would if they could but they've got to let him shop himself around town first...It's going to come to a head real soon and now that we have money to spend I wouldn't be surprised if other teams just completely back off...

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  3. I have been thinking about Jamison. The good... as a second unit 4, he can score. Our second unit with out Jamison could look like Jenkins, Rush, McGuire, Tyler, and Ezeli. That unit would have a hard time putting the ball in the hoop, but would be beastly defensively. If we were to swap Jamison with Tyler, and send Tyler to Santa Cruz, that lineup looks better by quite a bit. The bad is the price.
    If we spend 5 mil/year on someone, that's Rush because we have to match an offer sheet. No chance it is Jamison. I just have to wonder who leaked the interest in him, or if it is pure baloney.
    On the other hand, can we bring in a JJ Hickson or Jordan Hill while adding a Ramon Sessions type player? What if we took both Hill and Sessions from the Lakers? They really could not do anything about it, as they have only the mini mle available I believe.
    My biggest question is can we get our PF and PG additions while resigning Rush and McGuire. It looks like there is an outside chance to do this. If not, a choice has to be made. What's more important? A backup combo guard (or pure point) or a backup power forward? Or do we place the priority on solely bringing back Rush and McGuire?
    If its me, and we can't have all four of these, McGuire can be my backup PF at times (as well as lockdown wing defender) so resign him, Rush is so important so resign him, and make a choice between continuity meaning Nate Robinson or another combo guard with value, ie Ramon Sessions, Jonny Flynn, Delonte West. It just gets difficult to figure who can either rebound from poor years like Flynn, guys with bi-polar issues like West, and Sessions who likely will cost more than we will spend.
    Bad news is Jerryd Bayless is already rumored to be signing with the Memphis Grizzlies. Gotta move fast and smart.

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    1. I just can't stand the thought of having him back after crushing him during his final years here as a young soft player, now he's the older, softer version. At this point I don't see how Hickson or Hill couldn't offer more for less. Like you said, the second unit will be a lock down group and will be easier to mix in with the starters throughout the game...I don't see how you can put Antawn on the floor with Steph, Klay and Lee at any point...

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    2. I am done seeing the amazing offensive game the Warriors have year after year. I need them to play some defense... Any defense. We need strength and aggressiveness. The most pathetic thing that makes me wince when I go to games is in the 4th quarter when we let the opposing team get 2, 3, 4, or 5 offensive rebound on us and overtake the game. It happens sooo often and it is a disgrace.

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    3. That's why we dont need Jamison... We have scoring and imagine a day when the Warriors get rebounds and playing defense + Klay, Curry, Barnes, and Lee being scoring like they do
      Possible 6 seed this season I believe

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    4. I think the 6th seed is the realistic goal this season as well...

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    5. yes 6th seed is very possible.

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    6. Going out on a limb here... Mainly because I'm starting to think the W's can & will address the depth in the paint.

      If healthy... The 2nd-4th seed is a realistic goal for GS :D

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    7. Mr. Irrational Positivity is BACK!!!!

      I say 5-6 seed IF...everything goes right...

      But I hope you're closer to the mark then me...

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    8. The Jarrett Jack trade got me spiking the kool-aid again :)

      W/ health, Barnes/Ezeli not being duds, & a decent PF/C backup the 5th-6th seed should be the low end expectation for GS. 2nd-4th is setting the bar high, but not any higher than the expected 7th-8th seed for last years roster w/ out the health bombs.

      http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

      Comparing depth charts across the top 4 Western teams I'd say OKC and maybe the Clips are improving. Then you have the Lakers & San Antonio that aren't getting any younger but for sure will be playoff beasts.

      One of the above four teams should falter for one reason or another during the season, & I think the W's are now better (if..) than the other teams in the West. There's still some work to do of course...

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    9. I hear you. It got me pumped too. All IF's aside we should be GREATLY improved.

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    10. Philly got Kwame :/

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  4. I would absolutely not sign Jamison! The guy is a scorer and that's about it. He was a decent offensive rebounder back in the day but he's a lot older now, and still 6'7 and undersized for the 4. What the Warriors need is a backup who can play both 4/5, can rebound, and defend. Kenyon Martin, Jordan Hill are at the top of my wish list. If not them then I would go after Hickson or Carl Landry who I really like. Yeah, they can't play the 5 but they are solid, legit 4's who are athletic, active, and can score. Then there are guys like Shelden Williams and Kwame who are big bodies that'll rebound and give you 6 hard fouls. So there are a lot better options then the tweener Jamison. Hell, I'd even bring back Turiaf before I Jamison! Your concern over the 2nd units lack of scoring isn't much of a concern to me. It's not like they will all be playing together at once for large stretches if at all. With the depth of this roster there are ways to mix and match the players so there is a balance of scoring and defense depending on the matchup and situation during the game. It's just up to the coaching staff to put that group on the floor.

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    1. You know I'm with you Dax...I wish him nothing but the best but I won't stop driving the bandwagon until he signs somewhere else...lol

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    2. That's a great point. I wanted to give a positive vs negative for Jamison. As you know, for the money he is likely to command, the full MLE, I would never do it.
      Yes the second unit will usually be worked in with other starters. However, there are times when the second unit will need to put a scorer on the court. Realistically, that person is Jenkins, and/or Jarrett Jack! That is a great addition. He will get to the hoop, opening up scoring all over the court and gets to the FT line, converting at a good %. I couldn't be happier with Jack, unless he costs too much at 5.4 mil a year albeit for only a one year contract.

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  5. I just wanted to tell you I loved this article as well as all of the other articles you have been posting. It's extremely commendable that you love the Warriors and want to see them succeed as much as I do, or better yet, express the opinions of real Warrior fans. I have been reading your articles to my father also and he is soo pumped up for the upcoming season.
    I do have a question I would like for you to answer about Biedrins.

    Why can't we just buy out Biedrins contract?
    What would be the repercussions of doing something like that?
    Or, is it just something that can't be done salary cap wise?
    I just cannot stand that bastard being in a Dub's uniform... I never want to see his smug face chilling by the bench again.

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    1. Thanks for the comments, opinions and awesome feedback Henry!

      I need to brush up on the buyout rules but I think he only comes off the cap if another team signs him or something like that...even then I don't think it comes completely off the cap...so basically they'd rather pay him for his 6 fouls then let him cash checks from his couch...I'll explore it more in a column soon...

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    2. yep, Henry. We all would like to ship him off plus cash incentives as well. The problem is that in order to offset the production he is likely to bring, we would have to give a team 8 mil or more. This is purely speculation. I recently speculated on this site that we could trade him for Elton Brand of the Sixers and send some cash that way. The problem with that is that the Sixers still had the option of Amnestying Brand and had no financial incentive to take on Beidrins in trade. Furthermore, I don't really know if this kind of deal (sending large amounts of cash to cover a garbage player's salary) works in the NBA at this time. It likely doesn't completely take him off our books. It can all be complicated.

      It really looks like the Warriors are not willing to eat that much salary in one year regardless, and that they really don't feel they have money to waste, even if it is off the books... Otherwise, they would have amnestied Beidrins last year instead of Bell, while buying out Bell's contract (much easier to swallow at 4 mil).

      I am basically looking for a way around an amnesty clause that has a similar effect, and I think Henry and many of us may be doing the same.

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    3. Since they used the amnesty on Bell... I'm pretty sure the W's can't buy out the Biens/Jefferson salaries this year from the cap.

      But what I was thinking about last night is that Biens & Jefferson both have very pricey option years in 2013/2014 that the W's could buy out or pay them to not exercise. Anyone know if that completely takes them off the books for 2013/2014? Or, does the buyout $$$ count towards the cap?

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    4. I'm not sure about the cap part but the idea of paying someone not to exercise their options sounds a little illegal. One thing I do know on the subject is that Biedrins doesn't have a player option to opt in like Jefferson, he's got an early termination option so you'd be paying him to opt to terminate his contract...

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    5. I think both options are the same thing in principle, the player either accepts it or not. But it looks like there's things you can do w/ an early termination option (ETO) that you can't do w/ a player option or vice-versa.

      You're probably right, what I was talking about might be "circumventing" the cap rules unless there was a way to include just the agreed upon buyout/opt out portion within the salary cap.

      Did a fairly quick search & found a couple interesting web sites...

      http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

      http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=4

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    6. I keep meaning to read Larry Coon's CBA bible because I get these questions all the time but I don't think there could possibly be a more boring read...

      http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

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    7. The worst part about reading that is decoding all the legalese. That Larry Coon's CBA bible was the one I was reading to figure out about the buyout of a player option... I couldn't find anywhere that specifically addresses the buyout of player options/ETOs.

      Based on the info below... My guess would be that teams can buyout the player options, but the buyout fee/charge would count against the cap.

      "Guaranteed salary must be paid even if the player is released, and continues to be included in team salary after the player is waived."

      "Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary."

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    8. sometimes I wish that NBA contracts were written with fewer guarantees the same way the NFL handles it... as we all do I'm sure.

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  6. I'm not that concerned about getting another 3rd tier PG. The reality is that Jenkins came in, first year in the league, straight out of the Colonial Association, no summer league, no training camp but still finished out the year with lines of 10-10, 16-8, 24-9,10-10, 16-7. I think there is an outside chance that Jenkins ends up a starter in the league for somebody in the next couple years - maybe here. He needs to work on quickness, but he's a smart player, he works really hard on his game, he can score and he doesn't seem like a complete bonehead. Good enough.

    There is nobody on this list of 3rd tier point guards being bandied about (CJ Watson, et. al.) that remotely interests me as much as making sure we have a defensive minded beast like McGuire on the roster (who in a pinch, can run the point)

    We cannot run this offseason on the assumption that Curry's ankles are linguini. If Steph is solid, he and Jenkins are plenty for 48 minutes a game. If he blows up again, Jenkins moves up and you try to wheel and deal during the season. Right now, the there is so much being thrown about to every GM in the league, values are completely wacky. There are a lot of second order PGs out there - trading for one in a slightly calmer time is not that hard. If we actually need one.

    If we end up with 6 guys from the last two drafts, Curry, Bogut, Lee, RJ and Beans being locked in (the latter two unmovable this year) it comes down to Rush, McGuire and a hypothetical big like Hickson taking the last two spots. I'm not quite sure which pair I go for. Rush and McGuire play hard. That goes a long way.

    If we send Green or Tyler to Santa Cruz, then other options emerge.

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    1. I agree with your CJ assessment,I don't think he's even a PG...same goes for Nate but the one thing Nate does bring is a desire to get into the lane which is definitely something we need (that's what I'm looking for in a 2nd back up PG and i would hope we could do better then that)

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    2. Just saw a tweet from Marc Stein that the trade with D Wright involves the Hornets sending Jarrett Jack to the Warriors! If this is true then that's one hell of a pickup! Say goodbye to your minutes Jenkins.

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    3. Yeah, I can live with Jarret Jack. Can we send Biedrins to Santa Cruz?

      In regards to the PG position and getting into the lane, I'm not sure that is how this team is constructed. That was Monta's game. This is going to look more like a high post, pick and roll team, with maybe even a bit of triangle thrown in. I can also live with that.

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    4. I understand that, I'd just like to see a guy that could bring a different look for a few minutes a night to put the D on its heels when the offense is not clicking...Jack will take care of that...He likes to bull his way into the lane...

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    5. What tropical virus has our management contracted? Never seen us make as many wise moves in such a short time. I love this Wright/Jack deal. Could we have possibilities of still retaining Rush/McGuire? Great move GS!!! S

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    6. I guess this means Jenks could be seeing SG minutes depending on what happens w/ Curry & Rush

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    7. I'm at the point right now where i'm pretty satisfied standing pat - providing we get back Rush and McGuire. With Ezeli getting pretty good first reviews, Bogut and may Lee have somebody who can back them up and play hard D, make a couple hard fouls. There is the suspicion that Green may also be one of those sneaky efficient big guys whose success is kind of hard to explain, like a DeJuan Blair, Big Baby or - stretching to the point - Z-Bo.

      With our first 8 in the rotation pretty set - Curry, Klay, Lee, Bogut, Barnes, RJ, JJ, Ezeli - hopefully two more in Dom and Rush, Biedrins an unavoidable at 11 and Jenkins presumably locked in at 12, I think I'm pretty fine with either Tyler or Green taking whatever minutes might be available there, rather than some dud 4 at the veteran minimum.

      Honestly, there are a lot of interesting trade pieces in there as well. But we gotta start trading more for fewer.

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    8. I've got high hopes for Green too and can't wait for these pointlessSummer League games just to get a look at these kids

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    9. Such a cool thing Carb1. I have been looking for that 3rd tier pg, now we have a 2nd tier PG that isn't so far from a 1st tier PG. Did we spend a bit more money than we hoped, yes. Will it work out? Yeah, I think so. Rock on!

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  7. Thanks for the Update DAX! Everyone at the Trapped in Golden State Facebook page is JACKED UP! http://www.facebook.com/TrappedInGoldenState

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  8. Hey Justin, nice article, mate.

    Exciting times we have here no ? Team looks pretty good on paper, if it can stay healthy, that is. Better still, the W's brass is being a bit more prudent than in the past and not gone crazy picking up what the old regime might consider to be a savior. We are doing just find right now for this year and even better for the future with AB and RJ coming off the books in 2yrs.

    Jarret Jack, hmmmm.... dont know much about him but hope 1) he can be an adequate vet backup pg, and 2) he has a small enough contract so we can still sign Rush and Mc Guire. After that, we still need a vet back up big. Yes, Ezeli and Tyler might be ok but are way too raw to be counted on much until the 2nd half of the season. It will be interesting to see who comes out of the Vegas league and into training camp...any guesses for a surprise ?

    Finally, we're back to legitimacy, folks !!

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    1. Thanks for dropping a line as always Mr. Mean. I have an outside feeling that they've got something working for Biedrins or Jefferson...that may be far fetched but I just don't think they're done...We'll all be watching the Rush situation playing out closely over the next couple days. Like you say, Tyler and Ezeli are very raw and you know they want something a little more consistent. A move of Biedrins (it won'tt be a win win) that freed up a little money to accomplish the Rush/McGuire deals would be a hell of an encore to this deal wouldn't it?

      Either way, they're getting high marks all around right now...

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    2. Jarrett Jack is a legit starting PG & $5.8m on an expiring deal is fair. The only prob. with bringing Jack in is that people will start calling for a trade the minute Curry pulls up gimpy again. I agree on the issues at PF/C.

      No doubt this GS team is looking more and more legit but there's still plenty of ifs. If Barnes... If Thompson... If Curry... If Bogut... & the dreaded what if GS needs a backup PF or C to start...

      Biedrins may be impossible to move w/ the bad play & bad pub. And I just can't see the W's trading Jefferson's contract for anything better. GS actually needs Jefferson now that Wright's gone.

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    3. late reply JR, yes JJ is an expensive insurance for Curry. What this does is give the Dubs a whole year to evaluate Curry. It's true that if Curry gets hurt that the Dubs could ask for a trade, but they could also consider keeping Curry and nursing him along with a one-year extension. One reason they would want to do that is to give another year to evaluate Curry while they have the opportunity to give him rest. PF/C feels to me like the chance to take right now. That might hurt Warriors fans that want a Utah Jazz like front court that has players ready to switch in for anyone, but the Dubs might be closer to this than we know... considering Ezeli, Green, and Tyler. Who really knows? We sure don't. Yeah K-Mart seems like he could be a good addition.

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  9. Held back from posting here last night because this would've been the 1st trapped in GS article I was planning to go off on, respectfully o/c lol. I wanted to be sure what the real trade was.

    Wow, the new Wright deal is so much better than what was first reported :) I know some people think otherwise, but D. Wright at $4m is a solid player... It made no sense whatsoever to just give him away.

    The way F/A's are getting paid right now getting Jack makes much, muuuuuuch more sense for the W's than just creating cap space. The deal is far from perfect, but most free agents worth what they're getting paid are going to L.A., N.Y., Miami & the likes. Everyone else is having to pony up. A 1st rounder or something would've been a miracle but this way GS knows who they're going to get.

    Great job again W's.

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    1. You know from the very beginning I've said like it or rip it but it would have been ironic that the most positive fan anywhere would rip the first article I've written that was almost entirely positive...lol...

      Before the J. Jack revelation came about my theory was that the salary dump was great because it allowed us to match offers for Rush, resign McGuire AND get a minimum PG or PF...That $4 million made a BIG deal...So it wasn't giving him away as much as it was getting other guys and freeing up minutes instead...

      Please feel free to rip away, your opinion are always welcome you may be an optimistic fan but you're as Trapped as anyone...lol

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    2. LoL, that is ironic... and will do. It'd always be more of a blunt 'agree to disagree.' :) Giving away Wright for what's his name was the only move I'd hated since the Bell amnesty. Now, it's another winner regardless of what happens.

      Understood on the cap space, my point was more about giving Wright away a for zilch when $4m isn't likely to net the W's anyone better than Wright. To me, D. Wright is/was worth every bit of $4m and then some. Rush is the man when he's hitting 3's and just okay when he's not and the same goes for D. Wright. If you keep in mind Rush was going up against the 2nd unit a lot of last year, idk there's really much difference between he and D. Wright.

      Jack isn't perfect, but $5.8m seems fair for him... gritty PG's aren't a dime a dozen. Maybe he isn't the all-D 1st teamer Jackson wants but Jack should be a good fit especially on a 1 year deal. You know he's going to be motivated...

      If... if.. if.. the GS coaches can get Jarrett to take it to the paint & pass a little more, and to not settle for 18-20 ft'ers then he should be a great fit. At 35%, Jack for 3's is ok by me :)

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    3. Good point on Rush vs. Second units last year...

      Whether against starters or scrubs though Wright's shot was just flat last year and his decision making was terrible too...I am looking forward to our second unit with or without Rush at this point. Jack & Jenkins make a pretty good 1/2 punch off the bench but if they can add Rush and make it a 1/2/3 punch I'll be thrilled.

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    4. As of this year, you can have 13 active players on the bench, I think and 15 under contract.

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    5. Yea, the good thing is Rush is usually hitting 3's and he'll probably be back unless someone wants to pay him big money. Jack, Jefferson, & Jenkins would still be a very solid 1/2/3.

      And the West keeps getting better? Houston just amnestied Scola to go after Dwight Howard.

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    6. Hopefully they fall flat on their faces in that attempt...even if they get him they'll only be good for one year before they're left with Hedo, JRich and a bunch of youngsters

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  10. Hahaha, I just noticed Jack put up a triple double vs. the W's last year.

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    1. Yeah! maybe 4 players in the NBA did that last year! I play fantasy BBall with ESPN and I know that Rondo did it, he was mine. I do not remember Jack having done it, but I don't doubt it. Badass.

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    2. 3 or 4 NBA players did it only once all year versus the whole league, this is an impressive stat for sure!

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    3. I'm jazzed about having a legit second PG but not that impressed with his triple double against the Dubs...We've made a habit throughout the years of letting second tier players have career nights in Oakland...I HATE that shit, hopefully our defense is improved enough to stop that from happening. It's great to finally have a guy that has a skill set to do that against bad teams though, hopefully he gets one for us this year.

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    4. The only part of that triple double that ticks me off is Jack getting a career high 10 boards vs. the W's. The rest of the #'s were legit, it makes sense that the 10 rebounds were against the W's... The worst rebounding team in the league going on 7 years now.

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  11. JT, I have to thank you for this website, having only recently found you. I have found that I generally disagree with the stance given by many of the posters here, and I can be quite excited about my own viewpoint. However, I also have found that you and others are quite willing to discuss and see both sides of an issue. It is so cool to find a forum where GSW fans are given the freedom to play armchair GM. This is fun stuff, and likely much more fun than Bob Myers is having. lol.
    Today was one of those days where I was stunned. Jarrett Jack?

    We know that the names I have been talking about can't touch Jack's ability. In fact, the names Steinmetz has been recommending will likely not equal Jack's production with the Dubs. Miller, Kidd and Hienrich all signed for 3 mil a year. At this point in their careers, I don't think anyone of those players can do what Jack can now. On the flip side, Jack signed for 5.x mil for 1 year. This is on the order of what Roy is getting per year. Whoa! I don't want to compare them, in fact, I am much happier with Jack at 5 mil, and only a one year contract, than Roy for 2 years at 5.2 mil as it looks now. The Dubs brought in the smart deal with Jack, not the "who knows what we get with Roy" deal. How cool is this? In addition, next year we can re-evaluate it and bring Jack back or not. At that same time, Steph Curry will likely be a UFA. At the end of this year, there are still big questions to deal with. We all (including myself) want to see Steph to have given himself every reason to have the Dubs value him above all other free agents.
    I have a question. You can guess what it is... but it is not easy to answer. SSDD (Same sh*t different day) Can we afford Rush and McGuire at this time while bringing in a Williams or Hill or Hickson?
    My real quandry comes down to this... Rush was offered a 4.1 mil QO (qualifying offer) before free agnecy started. Did this number count towards the cap at that time? Journalists such as Marcus Thompson II, who I love, have said that the Dubs only have 3 mil left to spend in free angency. Does that mean that the QO for Rush is already set aside for him, and we could spend an additional 3 mil after giving Rush 4.1 mil, or does it mean that we are 3 mil below the luxury tax? This is what scares me now. There seems to be some confusion on this subject... If I create further confusion then, F me, but I think this is a legit question. Hopefully, I explained this question in a way that is understood. Rock on Dubs fans... all is good.

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    1. This is a site for the fans and by the fans so as far as I'm concerned your input is just important if not more so then mine. The whole point of Trapped is that there are thousands of fans just like us that follow every move no matter how sick to your stomach they've made us through the years and I want to lend an opinion and an ear while basically just looking for the same in return. I appreciate all of your comments and positive feedback, and like I told JR before, the negative is just as welcome. Lord knows being a Warrior fan is no cake walk and most of us are tired of saying "wait till next year." I hope the voices on the site continue to multiply and get louder while maintaining the same quality and thoughtfulness.

      As for Rush...I'm asking the same questions, doing the same research and reading the same columns so we'll probably figure it out around the same time. It should all come to a head in the coming days...I wonder if they pay the tax to bring him back, make another move to get under, choose to bring back McGuire instead and go get a minimum PF...all are in play and I don't think I'll complain much in any case.

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    2. There are a couple of things I'm concerned about for the Warriors, and I have some solutions for these problems but also don't know what to do on others. This is a long-read but I'd really appreciate some feedback especially from the author :D.

      1: How many F_cking players are we going to have under contract? This has never been a problem for the Warriors because we usually had a decent starting 5 and then maybe only 2 or 3 Nba caliber role players off the bench mixed with 4 or 5 scrubs. Please Correct me if I'm wrong but...

      Pg: Curry,Jack(YAY :D), Jenkins

      Sg: Thompson, Rush(assuming we re-sign him)

      Sf: Barnes,Jefferson, Green(if he's a small forward. I'm not sure what he is yet.)

      Pf: Lee, Tyler

      C: Bogut, Ezeli, Biedrins

      Now if my math is right that's 13 players for a 12 player lineup. Then if you factor in re-signing McGuire and or a backup 4 and you're looking at 14 or 15 players which is the max we can have. And then there's still the decision we have to make about Chris Wright and Gladness who some people like.

      Although I'd rather have this problem than trying to frantically find 3 or 4 halfway decent players to make the team somewhat respectable, I'm still wondering what we will do.

      I'm hoping we sign a 4/5 guy or a legit 4 like a Carl Landry, Sheldin Williams, Hill guy like I heard we're trying to do elsewhere(maybe on goldenstateofmind). That gives us 14 players. After that I'd hope we'd trade like a 2014 or 15,16(w/e) lottery protected first round pick with Biedrins or Richard Jefferson to a team like Charlotte for an expiring player like Dsegana Diop. We would almost certainly cut or buyout Diop and give us some more cap flexibility for the future. That gives us 13 players. Then you can stick Tyler in the D-league as insurance incase a big gets hurt which leaves you at 12 which is perfect, and would give Denver a running for deepest team in the league. However then you would really have a really tough decision in whether or not to bring McGuire back for a season or two. I guess that would come down to how ready the Warriors feel Green is.

      Concern #2: Health. My concern has been cut in half with the acquisition of Jarret Jack, but what about the center spot, if god-forbid Bogut goes down? Ezeli seems to be impressing everybody but is he ready to start for an extended amount of time? And do you trust Biedrins to be out there for more than a couple of minutes a game(assuming we can't dump him). Do we go for a guy like Kwame Brown for extra insurance and give us a grand total of 3.5 centers(that's a Biedrins joke if you didn't catch it). I honestly don't know what we should do for this problem.

      Concern #3: This is another one of those problems the Warriors have never had to face in recent history(you know, the ones good teams have to deal with). Let's say Curry has a solid season(not a breakout year of 20 and 8 but like 16 and 7.) And is able to stay on the court and start for let's say 60-70 games. Should we re-sign him for a max contract? Because if Curry's ankles prove to not be made of glass this upcoming year, several teams including probably the Bobcats will sign him for the max deal of 4 years 58million. Do you guys think the Warriors should re-sign him under those cicrumstances for a max deal? Or should the Warriors ink Jarret Jack(or another average starting pointguard) for like 7million and do a sign and trade with Curry and get a couple of draft picks and maybe a decent role player?

      Well those are my concerns. I really haven't been this excited about the Warriors since the 2nd half of the We Believe season. I really hope we make the right decisions. So far we haven't made a bad one since the Charlie Bell amnesty. Please reply and respond :D!(This is my first post here but have been actively following this great website since about mid June when I came across it!) Let's go Dubs!

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    3. Thanks for dropping a line and following along Jake!

      #1) I know they can't package a pick with Biedrins/Jefferson because Utah already has our protected pick. That said another trade will be very tough but if they can pull it off Myers will be walking on water around here. I say Gladness is gone without a doubt. And Tyler, Green (not sure what he is yet either but think he's an NBA player) and/or Ezeli will be doing time in Santa Cruz this year. Not quite sure how much money is left after the Jack deal but I'll figure that out soon enough...Signing Rush for $3-5 mil. plus another big sounds like it'll take us into tax territory and I'm not sure Lacob has changed his stance on that...more to come on that shortly...

      2) Our shaky health is why you see a lot of IF IF IF's before any statements regarding the upcoming season...only time will tell...

      3) If Curry earns the contract he should get it unless we can do something better in a trade. I definitely wouldn't do anything until he plays his value back to where it was (hopefully that's possible) and I would be very happy for him if management decides to sign him, I'm confident that this group is full of good evaluators of value and we won't see anymore Mike Dunleavy type deals.

      It's nice to know there are competent people running the team isn't it? I actually trust the guys even if my tortured Warrior fan side takes over some of my columns. Thanks again for weighing in and for the positive feedback!

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    4. Oops, posted this in the wrong place above. As of this coming year, teams carry 13 active players, not 12.

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    5. Thanks for replying bro! And I didn't know that we couldn't trade a pick because of Utah owning our next pick. I figured we could trade one in like 2015. I guess a McGuire/Tyler/Green powerforward tag team is to be expected. Hopefully we can get even a Sheldin Williams kind of player for a season. Better than nothing.

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    6. Thanks for adding to the conversation...

      knowing that we've got money for Rush and a low end big man is music to my ears

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    7. If Biedrins doesn't get his act together he could end up in Santa Cruz.

      It sounds like the W's are planning to sign Rush & a F/A. If 13 is the active limit, that means 1-2 of the following players will be S.O.L. if everyone's healthy.

      Pg: Curry, Jack, Jenkins
      Sg: Thompson, Rush?
      Sf: Barnes, Jefferson, Green
      Pf: Lee, (Free Agent), McGuire?
      C: Bogut, Ezeli, Biedrins, Tyler

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    8. I was questioning the player limit as well. It was my understanding that the number of players that can suit up for a game is 12. JR if what you say is correct, then I beleive we are talking about the same thing... that now only 13 that can suit up for a game.

      As far as the number that can be on a roster ie have an NBA contract and be on the roster, I beleive that number is 15. That means music to our ears, as we can give Biedrins extended leave to return home lol. It means we can send a Tyler or Jenkins down to the d league, while that player would stay on the payroll. At that time, a player could be added to the roster to hold the spot the player sent down had. This 15 roster spot thing means that if players are out due to injury, they will be holding that roster spot, which is another reason to be able to have as many as 15 spots available.

      This was a correction to one of my earlier posts that argued McGuire may not have a spot. There's room. What depends is the amount the team spends more than space on the roster.

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    9. Yep, JR. Looks good. What do people like or not like about adding former Warrior Anthony Tolliver to JR's lineup as the free agent? Hollinger says good things about him, being a 3/4 tweener who can hit shots and defend reasonably well even at the 4 while playing a smart game. I loved him for the short period he was here and that was his most productive season in the NBA. Could be Nellie's system was very good for Toliver, and it could be that the Dubs system would still be very good for the young forward. He did have a very poor year last year while playing for the T-wolves.

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    10. Just based on the W's roster... The reason idk about adding Tolliver is that the W's need a 4/5 or at least a definite 4 & not so much a 4/3. Especially if McGuire returns.

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    11. yep a true 4 who can play 5 might be best, such as a Williams.

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    12. I'm all out on Tolliver...if we're getting a specialist it should be a defensive one like DMc, not another offensive guy...he doesn't rebound or defend...

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    13. I don't completely agree about Tolliver... he is a guy who is learning who could be had cheap. If we get a Luandry, or Williams then maybe add a Tolliver instead of a McGuire. It is a reasonable direction to think about.

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  12. Kawakami says we're $8 mil. under the tax line which means we can still get Rush done along with McGuire or another cheap big man...

    http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/3298589.phtml

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    1. I do like Rush but if he's going to cost a lot, I'd maybe rather see GS get a high end PF/C backup (Scola/Brown?) & a low end SG/SF, or just go w/ what they have.

      Scola & maybe Brown would be over the MLE so it's probably unlikely w/ out involving another team.

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    2. Jr, that's a decent idea. I really like Scola as a player. His last contract owed him 7 mil a year, and I don't think the Warriors can bid on him right now, due to the fact that they are over the salary cap. That means the Warriors have to wait for him to clear wavers, then can make an offer at that time. I don't really like Scola for the Warriors, due to this waiting period and the fact he is undersized at the 4 with out 3 skills. He does not shoot the 3 at all and has trouble defending large 4s.

      I just read that Kwame Brown signed with the Sixers for 6 mil over 2 years. Considering he only played 9 games for us, I don't miss him.

      Justin that was a nice piece by Kawakami. I trust him to get the facts straight and it was good to see a definitive answer regarding how far under the luxury tax the Dubs are.

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  13. Do you guys think Green will be a Big baby undersized 4 kind of player(with more range, and better ballhandling of course.) or a really big but fairly slow 3 that can put it on the floor and pass like a Boris Diaw or however you spell his name.

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    1. I'm think a slower 3 that can play some 4...It's not a good spot because there aren't many success stories in his spot...a smaller more skilled Brandon Bass or Rony Turiaf? I need to see him against some NBA players, hopefully he'll get some match ups like that in the Summer League starting tomorrow cause I can't wait to see him so I can make a better comparison

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    2. The odds are against him for sure, but I'd guess Green can a bit of both and that he could be successful at either position due to his versatility... If he's as good as they say, and especially if the W's use him properly i.e. exploiting match ups.

      I think Green can also post up on a lot of SF's too.

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    3. Without us seeing him play against NBA competition yet, I think a fair comparison for Green would be a better rebounding Luke Walton. Walton was a tweener, high IQ guy who could do a little bit of everything. He was also a very good passer. I can see Green developing into that type of player but of course I'm hoping he will be more than that.

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    4. That's the best comparison I've heard so far...I'll give Walton the passing nod and probably had a bit more range but Green definitely gets the rebounding and hustle points...Can't wait to see him in summer league, he's probably the guy with the most to gain and to lose.

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    5. I heard an interview of someone with NBA knowlege on on 95.7 say Shane Battie, and I agree. That is certainly something to hope for. I think he is too intellegent and hard working to be Diaw, and more skilled than Big Baby.

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    6. Battie is an elite wing defender and an excellent corner 3 point shooter. Green might be able to develop his 3 point shot but I just don't see him ever having the lateral quickness to be a shut down type of guy on D.

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    7. Don't sell Green short though. From what I have heard he is a very intelligent player who could help us absorb the loss of Dominique McGuire. I would rather not lose McGuire now, but it looks like Green is going to be the second unit guy to clean up those rebounds, get those loose balls and finish some fast breaks that McGuire could never have done... McGuire's D will be lost, and I expect it, but the coaching staff may expect a bigger offensive upside from Green now than they will ever get from McGuire... It's sad but true. Hopefully Green defends well too.

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    8. The problem is...you know McGuire can guard 4 positions,but we do we KNOW about Green other then he's a nice prospect. For me it's come down to Landry or McGuire. I realize DMc might just be a luxury for us though, a 100% defensive specialist that we might not have room for. Green will be on the roster either way.

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    9. Yeah, a free agent or McGuire. You make sense there. Considering that there are names that we all are considering as are the Dubs. I do like Martin, and McGuire. We have heard much about Laundry recently. I just do not see him being the tough kind of paint player that Martin is. However, for the right price, either one could be an upgrade from McGuire potentially. We will never know until the season plays out. If those are the players in question, I still choose McGuire, based on value not only this year, but also years to come. The Dubs should have no problem resigning McGuire to another 1 year contract, while the others may require a larger contract that makes it darn near impossible for Lacob to say yes to Brandon Rush.

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  14. Sorta off topic and I dont mean to complain, but didnt "warriorsfan84" win the mock draft contest? (I looked at the scores)

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    1. Thanks for double checking my math there ap123...After going back I see that he did get the 10th pick right which put him in front.

      WarriorsFan84, if you're out there please email me at trappedingoldenstate@gmail.com if you would like a free Trapped in Golden State T-shirt!

      shawnkfrasier, yours will be mailed out this weekend. My apologies for the delay, I thought I was out of XL's but I have one for you...

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    2. Update to the page has been made. I hope WarriorsFan84 still follows along because I definitely want to correct that mistake.

      Again...

      Warriorsfan84 please email trappedingoldenstate@gmail.com

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  15. Thanks ap123 and Justin, even I didnt realize that I won.

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    1. Definitely thank ap123 for going back and checking my shaky math...I'm just glad you're still checking in on us over here, I was worried I might not get to make good on my promise! Shoot me an email and I'll get a Tshirt in the mail for you...

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  16. I dont really need a t-shirt but my son might want one. I'll check back with you later.

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  17. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1258077-golden-state-warriors-predicting-the-final-roster\
    from bleacher report. interesting. They did not specify what PF FA would come in, but they had a picture of Kenyon Marin in a Clipper's jersyy. I think its a reasonable get to have Martin and McGuire both busting their ass to remain in the NBA on the Dubs. The toughness they bring could make this team a Playoff team this year that is deep and could get into the second round.

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  18. I'm just as excited as the next fan about this upcoming season but after looking at all the free agent signings and trades (which aren't done yet), I still see the Warriors on the bubble for that last playoff spot. Phoenix signing Scola was a big addition to their team and now Dallas has signed Mayo. It looked as if these teams would fall down the ladder in the west but they have made some nice additions in the midst of losing key players. Then there's still the possibility of Howard coming to the west. I'm wondering if the fans will be booing Lacob again if the team is much improved but still out of the playoff picture.

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    1. I'm right there with you Dax, I've said the goal should be the 5th or 6th seed for this team but an 8th or 9th seed isn't out of the realm of possibility. I had written the Suns off and given the Mavs shit for not having a backcourt but they've definitely made some nice moves here. For Lacob he may get the business either way because there's a large segment of the fan base that's just waiting to let him have it for the move...

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    2. yeah I will boo the players if they don't figure it out, as well as Mark Jackson. I believe ownership has done enough by this time to justify last years' playoff prediction. The problem is... it's a year late. Now the players own the responsibility to get it done. They both get boo'ed again on principle alone. Owners... last year you guaranteed it. Players... you have been given everything. Get it done.

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    3. if the Mavs make the playoffs this year, I'm very surprised. Same with the Suns. In contention with the Warriors for the final spots will likely be the Nuggets (the hardest to take down) the Jazz(we finally have a front-court that can compete with them, the Trailblazers, the Wolves, (scary but if we keep Lee and McGuire, we can compete with them.) and the Trailblazers who are starting a rebuild that I am very jealous of. The Blazers could make the playoffs immediately. Yeah it's like that. What that means to me is that the Dubs have work to do. We need Mike Malone to stay. If we hired Dwayne Casey instead of Marc Jackson............. oops sorry.

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    4. You would put the Warriors ahead of the Mavs to make the playoffs? Their frontcourt is very solid with Kaman, Nowitzki, Marion, and Vince Carter, Elton Brand, and Brandan Wright off the bench. And their guard play just got a lot younger and faster with the additions of Darren Collison and OJ Mayo. They have playoff experience, a good mix of youth and veterans, and an excellent coach. They also have something the Warriors don't have...a perennial MVP candidate and future hall of famer in Dirk Nowitzki. I would put the Suns on the same level as the Warriors at the moment. They've got a nice young group of players, and Scola is on par with David Lee in my opinion.

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    5. wow Scola = Lee? no way. Lee is much better. Mavs better than the Dubs? Yeah I can hear that. My issue with the Mavs lineup now is that there are many average players in that group and only one star, who happens to be aging. Actually, there are very many players who are aging in that lineup and I don't see them wanting to win, as they are on short contracts and looking to keep cap space open for next year. Kaman? He's unreliable and injury prone as is Bogut I admit. Marion? Carter? Getting old. I'd rather have Barnes and Thompson by a long shot for this year, not to mention in the future. Collison and Mayo? Good smart players who play defense as well as offense.
      I'd say Warriors over Mavs this year. Yep the coach is a good one in Dallas. We do still have Malone as the assistant.

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    6. Scola is one of the most underrated players in the league in my opinion. Lee might be more athletic but Scola has one of the best low post games in the league. The guy either scores or gets to the line when he posts up. He can also face up. And if you compare his contract to Lee's, you definitely get more bang for your buck lol. I would honestly have Scola instead of Lee if we took their contracts into account.
      As far as the Mavericks, you say they have aging players but we're talking about this season not the future. Experience makes a big difference in the league, especially playoff experience. And Nowitzki at his age now is still one of the best. I'm hoping for a great season from the Warriors but I'm also trying to be realistic. Our team has a lot of youth. Can we really be a factor in the west with probably 2 rookies and a second year player in our regular rotation?

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    7. I have to agree with Dax on those points. Lee and Scola are pretty comparable and even though Lee is better Scola is cheaper and allows you extra money to fill other needs or to afford a better player at another spot.

      The main point that I've been thinking of is that last one. Saying we are going to be a top tier team in the west THIS year is saying that we're going to get regular, consistent, meaningful contributions from 3 or 4 guys under 22 or 23...thats before you even get to the injury concerns.

      I've been saying that I expect to compete for the 6th spot if all goes well and the 8th spot if it doesn't but that also just me just being conservative because I've been Trapped for long enough to know not to let these guys get my hopes to high before the games start.

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  19. I've been thinking about this team a lot. The model really looks to me like those 2000 era Kings - the team that should have made the finals at least once and maybe twice. It's main strength is depth, versatility, inside-out passing and a bunch of long range shooters. Bogut, Lee and Ezeli are a plausible overlay of Vlade, C-Webb and early Brad Miller. Steph, Klay and Barnes track to Bibby, Peja and Christie. I'm just not sure Jackson can coach that kind of team, though there certainly were Indiana teams he played on that had similarities

    With the depth we have, I hope that Jackson and Malone think about installing a four minute of hell press fivesome. Barnes, Rush, Jack, Green/McGuire and either Ezeli or Bogut anchoring the back. Not enough teams in the NBA throw a press like the Bulls used to back in the day - it would seem we have the right kind of young smart depth to think about it.

    I think the scrimmages will be among the better ones in the league.

    Curry/Klay/RJ/Lee/Bogut against Jack/Rush/Barnes/Green/Ezeli. That's not a bad game right there, but you can come up with all sorts of permutations.

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    1. I think those Kings teams are GREAT comparisons. We can't be sure about the rookies but if they provide any kind of solid depth we'll be hard to deal with. Lee and Bogut (if healthy) can match what Webber and Vlade brought...Webber beats Lee but Bogut is better than Vlade. Our perimeter shooters (especially if and when Rush is back in the fold) rival anything we've seen in a long time! The inside out game should be LETHAL.

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    2. nice... truth there. I beleive Malone likes to come up with that stuff, while I hope Jackson buys it. Many things about Jackson scare me, including how he just looks on while Malone draws up a play.

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  20. I hated that Kings team but they were damn good. One of the best passing teams I've seen play. It would be great to see these Warriors play like them.

    Just read that Chris Andersen is going to be amnestied by Denver because of them signing Anthony Randolph. He would be a great fit for the Warriors if he came cheap. 15-20 minutes of his energy and defense at the 4/5 would be just what they need.

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    1. Could be the best cheap option by far.

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  21. I don't see the Birdman being entertained while he's got that child pornography thing hanging over him....

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    1. Lol forgot about that. Might be the reason Denver amnestied him

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    2. yep, that's a guy I would have targeted....

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    3. I just read an article tonight that made me reconsider him for the Warriors... It looks like the birdman is being blackmailed/incorrectly accused, and his accuser could potentially be sued for Libel, if I am the Birdman.
      This player may seriously be a great pickup for the Dubs if things clear out legally for him.
      see http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/7919893/attorney-chris-andersen-believes-allegations-involve-spurned-female-fan
      This article is from May 2012, and I did not find anything more recent on ESPN.com.
      I would really have to look at Chris Anderson (Birdman) as a stellar pickup for the Dubs if everything checks out ok.

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  22. I am now a Houston Rockets fan with Jeremy Lin. Knicks did the right thing. I think the Rockets could be the lucky ones and I will be rooting for them. GSW's also did the right thing. Lin is about to get paid. I would rather it were the Rockets than any one else. LOL go LIN!

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  23. So... If Chris Birdman Andersen is cleared and looks to be victimized due to no fault of his own...

    This is the projected Warriors roster I want...
    1. Curry, Jack, Jenkins
    2. Thompson, Rush
    3. Barnes(starts at least the last 50 games in the season or more) Jefferson, Green
    4. Lee, Anderson, Tyler, McGuire
    5. Bogut, Ezeli, Biedrins.
    That's 15 players.
    Jack and Curry both play some 2 as well. Jack can play 1 at times with Curry at 2, helping to set up Curry for his shooting.
    Rush will play some 3.
    Green and McGuire will both play 3 or 4, depending on matchups. Would it make sense to start McGuire at the 2 to guard Kobe? I think it would.
    Birdman would play 4 and 5, giving us the ability to slowly bring Ezeli on board. Birdman does have and injury history like many of our players, but if he is cheap like he should be, I don't mind.
    Tyler could definitely spend some time in the D League with this setup, as could Jenkins.
    If Bogut is injured or needs rest, a rotation of Ezeli and Birdman could be nice.

    Nothing I wrote from the above makes injury concerns much better, but I think this team is going to have to spend a little money on gimpies as they already have, in order to maximize the team's upside.

    There is a chance to have 3 outstanding shot blockers on the team with Bogut, Ezeli and Chris Birdman Andersen.

    This team might be just below the luxury tax line.

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